joining me now to discuss this is steven moore, an anti-tax crusader and editorial board member at "the wall street journal." steven, let me start with you. president obama says the debt creeling is nonnegotiable, but republicans in congress are going to use it as a negotiation tactic. you always say the government needs to get out of the way and let businesses grow. suspect not raising the debt creeling to pay for bills already incurred standing in the way of the economy? >> well, you know, ali, you said the republicans view this as a good tool to try to discipline spending. i don't think they view this as a good tool, but i think they view it as maybe the only tool that they have right now to try to get president obama to negotiate on spending cuts. as you've quite correctly said, we just lived through the first of these cliffs, which was the fiscal cliff. we got by that one. you know, democrats feel they had their day there and they did. they got their tax increase. republicans are still wondering when are we going to get around to reforming these big giant entitlement programs and m